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1965 MZ ES175/1 Pleuelsatz ???

Beitragvon adlermb200 » 10. Mai 2011 07:50

Ich möchte ein Pleuel für meine ES175/1 Satz kaufen.
Kennt jemand überall dort kann ich kaufen?
Vielen Dank

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I would like to buy a conrod set for my ES175/1.
Does anyone know wher I can buy one?
Thank you

Fuhrpark:
ES150/1 ~ 1975
ES250/2 Trophy ~ 1972
ETS250 Trophy Sport ~ 1971
ES175/1 ~ 1965
Simson S51 x 2 ~ 1987 & 1989
Simson AWO425 Sport ~ 1958
Jawa 355 ~ 1959
DKW RT200 ~ 1952
Adler MB200 ~ 1954
Adler MB250 ~ 1955
Adler Favorit ~ 1956
Adler Sprinter ~ 1957
Honda 500/4 ~ 1975
Triumph Tiger 955i ~ 2003
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Re: 1965 MZ ES175/1 Pleuelsatz ???

Beitragvon Christof » 10. Mai 2011 19:26

Original Connecting Rods for ES175/1 aren`t aviable anymore. But the original Connecting Rod can be replaced by one of the TS 250/1. They got the same dimensions the ES 175/1-rod has. The only difference ist the bearing of the gudgeon pin. Original a bronze sleeve is installed but the TS 250/1-rod got a neadle bearing. Additionally the TS 250/1-rod will be delivered with two bronze dishes, wich won`t be needed in the ES 175/1. Ask him for new genuine arts, he also got genuine connecting rods for the TS 250/1.

http://mzsimson.de/index.php/deu/_/_/cf ... 81abe18/?_

Please don't try replica connecting rods of the TS 250/1. Often they are signed for TS 250/1 but got a drilled crank pin in the big end bearing. These crank pins schouldn't be installed in a ES 175/1 because they will cause high engine vibrations.
Grüße

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Kämpfer für das Überleben des 175er Ersatzmotors 4539110

Fuhrpark: TS 250/1 Luxus; mit Flachlenker Bj 1980,
TS 250 Standard; mit Flachlenker Bj 1974;
TS 150 Luxus; mit Hochlenker Bj. 1983,
ES 175/2 Standard; Bj. 1970,
ES 125/1; Bj. 1975
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Re: 1965 MZ ES175/1 Pleuelsatz ???

Beitragvon adlermb200 » 11. Mai 2011 10:26

Christof hat geschrieben:Original Connecting Rods for ES175/1 aren`t aviable anymore. But the original Connecting Rod can be replaced by one of the TS 250/1. They got the same dimensions the ES 175/1-rod has. The only difference ist the bearing of the gudgeon pin. Original a bronze sleeve is installed but the TS 250/1-rod got a neadle bearing. Additionally the TS 250/1-rod will be delivered with two bronze dishes, wich won`t be needed in the ES 175/1. Ask him for new genuine arts, he also got genuine connecting rods for the TS 250/1.

http://mzsimson.de/index.php/deu/_/_/cf ... 81abe18/?_

Please don't try replica connecting rods of the TS 250/1. Often they are signed for TS 250/1 but got a drilled crank pin in the big end bearing. These crank pins schouldn't be installed in a ES 175/1 because they will cause high engine vibrations.


Christof, thank you for your very detailed reply. It is most helpful. I need to ask some question to ensure I have everything clear.

So, I can use an original TS250/1 connecting rod, but you do not recommend using a replica connecting rod because they have a drilled big end crank pin and not a solid crank pin. Is this correct?

An original TS250/1 connecting rod will not have the correct bronze sleeve for my piston gudgeon pin. Will the needle roller bearing fit my gudgeon pin? Or will I have to modify the original TS250/1 to accept a bronze bush which will fit my gudgeon pin? If the needle roller bearing fits, then that is very good news.

Is this an original connecting rod kit, or is it a replica? :-

http://mzsimson.de/index.php/deu/1/_/mf ... to=contact

Pleuelreparatursatz TS 250/1 5 Gang
Best.-Nr: K60264
Pleuel, Pleuelbolzen,Anlaufscheiben, Pleuelllager und Kolbenbolzenlager.28 mm Hubzapfen
ET-Katalog-Bild-Nr.: 16


Thank you for any help you can give.

Fuhrpark:
ES150/1 ~ 1975
ES250/2 Trophy ~ 1972
ETS250 Trophy Sport ~ 1971
ES175/1 ~ 1965
Simson S51 x 2 ~ 1987 & 1989
Simson AWO425 Sport ~ 1958
Jawa 355 ~ 1959
DKW RT200 ~ 1952
Adler MB200 ~ 1954
Adler MB250 ~ 1955
Adler Favorit ~ 1956
Adler Sprinter ~ 1957
Honda 500/4 ~ 1975
Triumph Tiger 955i ~ 2003
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Re: 1965 MZ ES175/1 Pleuelsatz ???

Beitragvon Guesi » 11. Mai 2011 12:26

The one you mentioned above is a replica.
Originals are only on special demand :-)

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Re: 1965 MZ ES175/1 Pleuelsatz ???

Beitragvon Ralle » 11. Mai 2011 12:38

Offtopic:
Guesi hat geschrieben:Originals are only on special demand :-)


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...or payola maybe :versteck: :wink:
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Re: 1965 MZ ES175/1 Pleuelsatz ???

Beitragvon adlermb200 » 11. Mai 2011 12:49

Hi GüSi, so how do I get one of the "special demond" ones?

Cheers
Phil
Please send me a message.
Thanks

Fuhrpark:
ES150/1 ~ 1975
ES250/2 Trophy ~ 1972
ETS250 Trophy Sport ~ 1971
ES175/1 ~ 1965
Simson S51 x 2 ~ 1987 & 1989
Simson AWO425 Sport ~ 1958
Jawa 355 ~ 1959
DKW RT200 ~ 1952
Adler MB200 ~ 1954
Adler MB250 ~ 1955
Adler Favorit ~ 1956
Adler Sprinter ~ 1957
Honda 500/4 ~ 1975
Triumph Tiger 955i ~ 2003
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Re: 1965 MZ ES175/1 Pleuelsatz ???

Beitragvon Christof » 11. Mai 2011 21:50

adlermb200 hat geschrieben:So, I can use an original TS250/1 connecting rod, but you do not recommend using a replica connecting rod because they have a drilled big end crank pin and not a solid crank pin. Is this correct?


Yes and please contact guesi for an original one.

adlermb200 hat geschrieben:An original TS250/1 connecting rod will not have the correct bronze sleeve for my piston gudgeon pin. Will the needle roller bearing fit my gudgeon pin? Or will I have to modify the original TS250/1 to accept a bronze bush which will fit my gudgeon pin? If the needle roller bearing fits, then that is very good news.


You can use the TS250/1-rod with the neadle bearing without any changes. The gudeon pin of the ES-piston fits normaly perfect in those delivered neadle bearings, so the sleeve won't be needed anymore. After the installation of the TS-rod, you are also able to use 1:50 mixture!
Grüße

Christof

Organisator des ES-Schweinetreffens in Coppanz 2013 & in Bucha 2015

Rundlampenschweinchenliebhaber Nummer 082

Kämpfer für das Überleben des 175er Ersatzmotors 4539110

Fuhrpark: TS 250/1 Luxus; mit Flachlenker Bj 1980,
TS 250 Standard; mit Flachlenker Bj 1974;
TS 150 Luxus; mit Hochlenker Bj. 1983,
ES 175/2 Standard; Bj. 1970,
ES 125/1; Bj. 1975
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Re: 1965 MZ ES175/1 Pleuelsatz ???

Beitragvon adlermb200 » 12. Mai 2011 06:28

Christof hat geschrieben:
adlermb200 hat geschrieben:So, I can use an original TS250/1 connecting rod, but you do not recommend using a replica connecting rod because they have a drilled big end crank pin and not a solid crank pin. Is this correct?


Yes and please contact guesi for an original one.

adlermb200 hat geschrieben:An original TS250/1 connecting rod will not have the correct bronze sleeve for my piston gudgeon pin. Will the needle roller bearing fit my gudgeon pin? Or will I have to modify the original TS250/1 to accept a bronze bush which will fit my gudgeon pin? If the needle roller bearing fits, then that is very good news.


You can use the TS250/1-rod with the neadle bearing without any changes. The gudeon pin of the ES-piston fits normaly perfect in those delivered neadle bearings, so the sleeve won't be needed anymore. After the installation of the TS-rod, you are also able to use 1:50 mixture!


Christof, your help and that of Gusi has been invaluable. I have ordered the correct con rod and a gasket set. The motor rebuild wil begin in appoximately 3 weeks and at the same time I shall strip the motorcycle down for repainting in the correct 1965 blue/grey colour with an ivory pin stripe.

Thank you both for your help. Restoring German motorcycles in the UK brings with it a set of problems which restorers of British motorcycles don't appreciate. Help such as yours is much appreciated.

Thanks again
Phil

Fuhrpark:
ES150/1 ~ 1975
ES250/2 Trophy ~ 1972
ETS250 Trophy Sport ~ 1971
ES175/1 ~ 1965
Simson S51 x 2 ~ 1987 & 1989
Simson AWO425 Sport ~ 1958
Jawa 355 ~ 1959
DKW RT200 ~ 1952
Adler MB200 ~ 1954
Adler MB250 ~ 1955
Adler Favorit ~ 1956
Adler Sprinter ~ 1957
Honda 500/4 ~ 1975
Triumph Tiger 955i ~ 2003
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Re: 1965 MZ ES175/1 Pleuelsatz ???

Beitragvon Christof » 12. Mai 2011 18:22

adlermb200 hat geschrieben:The motor rebuild wil begin in appoximately 3 weeks and at the same time I shall strip the motorcycle down for repainting in the correct 1965 blue/grey colour with an ivory pin stripe.


You are welcome if you got any problems with the engine or the Crankshaft. If you are interessted in a rebuild of a grey/blue colored ES 250/1 then look at this threat:

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=40041

Weren't you in glesien, last year? We spoke a view times about the ETS in great britain. Do you remember?
Grüße

Christof

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Rundlampenschweinchenliebhaber Nummer 082

Kämpfer für das Überleben des 175er Ersatzmotors 4539110

Fuhrpark: TS 250/1 Luxus; mit Flachlenker Bj 1980,
TS 250 Standard; mit Flachlenker Bj 1974;
TS 150 Luxus; mit Hochlenker Bj. 1983,
ES 175/2 Standard; Bj. 1970,
ES 125/1; Bj. 1975
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